...and we are OFF...

...to GINGERFEST!!! Hope to see y'all there! I have put the 'Day in Gingerology' on auto-pilot for the next 4-5 days, which of course contains Ginger's 107th birthday remembrance! Y'all be safe and have a Gingery week!!!

This Day in GINGEROLOGY - July 12th - 17th

July 12

1945: Jack Briggs, Ginger’s third husband, returns home from his WWII tour of duty in the Pacific theater, which he began in December 1943.

1981: Lynton Brent, who starred with Ginger in the films “The Thirteenth Guest” (as Prisoner), “Follow the Fleet” (as Deck Officer), “Stage Door” (as Powell’s Aide), and “The Story of Vernon and Irene Castle” (as Mechanic), died in Los Angeles, California, at the age of 83.

1987: Harold Goodwin, who starred with Ginger in the films “Hat Check Girl” (as Walter Marsh), “Broadway Bad” (as Reporter), and “Romance in Manhattan” (as Doctor at Police Station),died in Woodland Hills, Los Angeles, California, at the age of 84.

1988: Joshua Logan, who directed Ginger in the musical play “Miss Moffat”, died in New York City, at the age of 79.

July 13

1907: Greta Granstedt (born Greta Irene Granstedt), who starred with Ginger in the film “Hat Check Girl” (as Party Guest), was born in Scandia, Kansas.

1961: Alan Marshal, who starred with Ginger in the film “Tom, Dick and Harry” (as Dick), died in Chicago, Illinois, at the age of 52.

2015: GetTV aired “Tight Spot”.

2018: The Film Society at Lincoln Center in NYC presented the films “Flying Down to Rio”, “The Gay Divorcee”, “Swing Time”, “Top Hat”, and “Follow the Fleet”, as part of their Fred and Ginger Film Series.

July 14

1892: Al Hill, who starred with Ginger in the films “The Tenderfoot” (as Spud – a Thug), “Don’t Bet on Love” (as one of Shelton’s Hoods), “Stage Door” (as Taxi Driver), “Lucky Partners” (as Officer Bob Clark), and “Magnificent Doll” (as Man), was born in New York City.

1915: Toby Wing (born Martha Virginia Wing), who starred with Ginger in the film “42nd Street” (as Blonde in ‘young and Healthy’ Number), was born in Amelia Court House, Virginia.

1954: Al Hill, who starred with Ginger in the films “The Tenderfoot” (as Spud – a Thug), “Don’t Bet on Love” (as one of Shelton’s Hoods), “Stage Door” (as Taxi Driver), “Lucky Partners” (as Officer Bob Clark), and “Magnificent Doll” (as Man), died in Los Angeles, California, at the age of 62.

1970: Preston Foster, who starred with Ginger in the films “Follow The Leader” (as Two-Gun Terry) and “You Said a Mouthful” (as Ed Dover), died in La Jolla, California, at the age of 69.

2018: The Film Society at Lincoln Center in NYC presented the films “Swing Time”, “Shall We Dance”, “The Story of Vernon and Irene Castle”, “Carefree”, and “The Barkleys of Broadway”, as part of their Fred and Ginger Film Series.

July 15

1885: Tom Kennedy, who starred with Ginger in the film “42nd Street” (as Slim Murphy), was born in New York City.

1892: Charles R. Rogers, who produced the Ginger films “The Tip-Off”, “Suicide Fleet”, “Carnival Boat”, and “Sitting Pretty”, was born in New York City.

1902: Bruce Manning, who, along with Jack Skirball, co-produced the Ginger film “Magnificent Doll”, was born in New York City.

1905: Dorothy Fields, lyricist for songs from the Ginger movies “Roberta”, “In Person”, and “Swing Time”, was born in Allenhurst, New Jersey.

1907: Craig Reynolds (born Harold Hugh Enfield), who starred with Ginger in the film “Don’t Bet on Love” (as Reporter), was born in Anaheim, California.

1956: John ‘Skins’ Miller, who starred with Ginger in the film “Don’t Bet on Love” (as R. M. Bigsby, Undertaker), died in Los Angeles, California, at the age of 65.

1994: Vina Gale (born Hervina Gale), who starred with Ginger in the film “Flying Down to Rio” (as Dancer), died in Honolulu, Hawaii, at the age of 86.

1999: The American Film Institute (AFI) unveiled its list of top 50 film legends, 25 male, 25 female; Ginger placed as #14 female, just below Grace Kelly and just above Mae West (…and strangely enough, a ‘mix’ of those two would most likely result in a quite “Ginger-y” actress!)

2018: The Film Society at Lincoln Center in NYC presented the films “Roberta”, Shall We Dance”, and “Carefree”, as part of their Fred and Ginger Film Series.

July 16


1821: Mary Baker Eddy, founder of Christian Science (which Ginger practiced), was born in Bow, New Hampshire.

1886: Isabel La Mal, who starred with Ginger in the film “The Thirteenth Guest” (as Marie’s Mother), was born in New Orleans, Louisiana.

1911: At 2:00 a.m., Lela Emogen McMath gave birth to Virginia Katherine McMath at their home at 100 West Moore Street, Independence, Missouri; VKM weighed 7.5 pounds. HAPPY BIRTHDAY GINGER!!!

1994: Independence, Missouri celebrated Ginger’s birthday as she made what would be her last visit to her hometown; her birth house was ‘dedicated’ officially.

2011: VKMfanHuey and his crew, as well as “Fred & Ginger Mad” (a.k.a. as ‘Kat and Baby’), were at 100 West Moore Street in Independence, MO. on the occasion of Ginger’s 100th Birthday!

2013: TCM aired “Lucky Partners”.

2013: FMC aired “Change of Heart”.

2014: TCM aired “The Tip-Off”, “You Said a Mouthful”, “Finishing School”, “The First Traveling Saleslady”.

July 17

1880: Wong Chung, who starred with Ginger in the film “Rafter Romance” (as Chinese Waiter), was born in San Francisco, California.

1905: William Gargan (born William Dennis Gargan), who starred with Ginger in the film “Follow The Leader” (as a Gangster), was born in Brooklyn, New York.

1967: Cyril Ring, who starred with Ginger in the films “A Shriek in the Night” (as Eddie, Morgue Attendant) and “Tales of Manhattan” (as Assistant Taylor (Boyer Sequence)), died in Hollywood, Los Angeles, California, at the age of 74.

1980: Don ‘Red’ Barry (born Donald Berry), who starred with Ginger in the film “Flying Down to Rio” (as Dancer), died in Hollywood, California, at the age of 68.


Next GingerFilm(s) (on TCM - all times Eastern):

July 22, 2018 @ 6:30 A.M. Fifth Avenue Girl
July 27, 2018 @ 9:30 A.M. Roberta

Next GingerFilm(s) (on FXM Retro - all times Eastern) - NOTE - the FXM Retro site is kinda 'cryptic' as far as specific times, so please check local listings for 'specific times':

...No Films Scheduled...


Sunday, May 16, 2010

New Poll...

Greetings, Gingerologists! I finished up my tests yesterday, so should be back to 'normal' posting... and, as suggested by the resident O.G.R.E. (for the new folks, that is the Official Ginger Research Expert... a.k.a. SassyGinger...), a NEW POLL!!! The question is as follows:

Which of the following Ginger and Fred movies would best serve as the 'prequel' to "Barkleys of Broadway?"

"Flying Down To Rio"........


"Follow The Fleet"........

"Swing Time"........

"Shall We Dance"........

...As for the 'background', most folks 'round these parts know that 'Barkleys' set out to be the 'sequel' to "Easter Parade", but after Judy Garland had to step away from the production, Ginger stepped in, and the rest is history...
As to the choices above, the only criteria was that both of the GandF characters had to be in show biz, which is more often than not the case in a GandF film..."The Castles", while fitting the 'show biz' criteria, obviously could not have a sequel w/o Vernon, and it was a true story, anyway... "Swing Time" is 'marginal', but after 'Never Gonna Dance', you just figure they were gonna make a living hoofing, right?

Well, hope this poll makes ya think a bit... it really is tough to just pick one to be the 'most likely'...

Hope to post more frequently... until then,

Keep It Gingery!!!



  1. ...BTW - really think that first pic is from some other movie... but hey, they are bonking heads a la The Carioca... but I think this one is from Gay Divorcee... OGRE, please give us a status report...


  2. Actually I think its from a magazine article or something with Fred and Ginger modeling the steps of the Carioca.

    Okay even though I thought of this poll question its a difficult choice for me - partly because Barkleys stands so well on its own. The obvious choice is Petrov and Linda but do you think he would pull the Svengali act on her?

  3. I haven't made up my mind yet, but Follow the Fleet could also be a good choice. After all, Fred was running the show they put on and was trying to "help" Ginger's career. (HIC) :-)

  4. And she acknowledged that she didn't hit the big time going solo.

  5. Oh thats a good point Fioraon!

  6. I just say Shall We Dance because of the tie in with the song "They Can't Take That Away From Me." When Fred sang that to Ginger in Shall We Dance when they were on the ferry after eloping just makes your heart melt. Then in Barkleys of Broadway when they dance to it and Fred is singing to her trying to win her back with dance like always, it just breaks your heart. It's like he is saying, "Don't you remember when I first sang this to you?"

  7. Maybe Shall we dance, with "They can't take that away from me and they are married at the end.

  8. Desarae thats a good point too. Now Im more confused than ever!

  9. LOL! SassyGinger I know what you mean. I think you have set about an impossible task of selecting just one movie :) They each serve as a kind of prequel in one way or another. I am excited to see how this poll turns out!

  10. Well here's another way to look at it. I got too hung up on the Svengali thing. I love how Josh and Dinah are so affectionate through out the film (well while theyre getting along). What other G&F couple might be like that. Probably Penny and Lucky? LOL, we're reading way too much into this!

  11. I know, isn't it fun! So have you voted yet SassyGinger?

  12. Yeah I voted Swing Time but I'm still torn between that and Shall We Dance. Its pretty silly how I'm so torn over a poll about an idea that was never meant to exist.

  13. It's funny because the first time I watched The Barkleys of Broadway (before I knew the back story behind how Ginger ended up on the movie), seeing them as starting out as married made me think of the movie as sort of a continuation of many of their other movies. Then when I saw the benefit scene, I immediately thought of Shall We Dance, and the two movies have been linked in my mind ever since. I can't shake it :)

  14. Slightly off topic, but still on the topic of Ginger...I have a question if anyone can answer. In Tom, Dick, and Harry when Ginger goes into the second dream sequence it is her, but when she comes out of the dream and sits up the woman does not look like her. Am I seeing things or is that a different person for that shot? And if it is a different person, who is it? Thanks for the help because I am driving myself crazy rewinding that scene :)

  15. Almost said Follow the Fleet but decided on Shall We Dance because they were both performers, then got together at the end. Petrov decided to drop the Russian act (and consequentially the name as well). Then their marriage got rocky because... well you know the rest.

    My time to post this has come down to writing in communications class while the professor talks about Orson Wells and the 1938 broadcast that freaked everyone out.

  16. Great stuff, y'all! I honestly can see each of them working, but 'Shall We Dance' was pretty cool with the 'They Can't take That Away From Me' connection... so I went with that one - and the Sassyness of Linda Keene overall could have morphed into Dinah Barkley's 'hot temper'...
    Actually, 'Rio' could be the 'prequel' to 'Follow the Fleet', or even 'Roberta'... but from 'Rio' to Barkleys' is a bit of a stretch... in other words, looking at a 'trilogy' deal, from 'Rio' to 'FTF' to 'Barkleys'... 'Swing Time'? It would work well also, as Fred's Character was the pure 'show biz' partner, and Ginger was 'just starting her career'...

    Desarae - concerning the Tom,Dick and Harry scene...honestly, will have to check that out... as far as I know it is Ginger, but need to watch it a few times to see for sure... would be kinda weird not to have her for that shot, since it is kind of a close-up...

    Lauren - hope all is well in UCLAN Land! 'War of the Worlds'...yep that was pretty interesting, mainly how folks reacted indicated that radio was quite influential at that point... are you about wrapped up this semester? hope so - time for the Summer of Ginge... :-]

  17. Everything is good! I have a ton of projects to work on for the next two weeks, then finals week after that, then I'm out! For a week. Then I have summer school. But I'm not taking 5 classes in summer school.
    Hope you're doing well, and your jaw too!

  18. Hey Lauren! Don't expect to goof off during that week. Remember you have a Ginger assignment. :)

  19. I think I never saw „Roberta“ on my parents TV, but I'm going to order it this summer. The year 1935 is just my time and Irene Dunne's „Smoke Gets in Your Eyes“ is reason enough to adore it. „Flying Down to Rio“ is almost such a wired stew like „Barkleys“, but it's my style and I love it: Gingers song „Music Makes Me“ is one of my anthems! The „Barkleys“ rather modern bigband sound isn't my style at all and I hate those ...eeendless... piano-concertos and the French drama stuff doesn't interest me.

    „Shall We Dance“ is also on my „to-order“ schedule (saw it on tv long ago), but I'll order early/mid-30s films first (furthermore „Carefree“ isn't on my bill - too swingy already – I wanna' keep my own style pure. These days I'm waiting for „42nd Street“ and „Footlight Parade“!!). „Swingtime“ is already in my collection and pleases me very much. „Follow the Fleet“ is just **SWELLEST** - I think the absolute best of all Freddy&Ginger films.

    So it was impossible to vote and compare those diamonds to „B-b-barkleys“, without giving me a pain.

  20. Lauren - thanks for the kind words - I am totally over the root canal debacle... took about 6 weeks - quite an experience, to be sure... hope your summer is cool - it's good to take a few classes - I typically took one or two - allows you to keep a bit 'ahead of schedule', which is never a bad thing...

    Fioraon... is she supposed to be searching for Hat Check Girl? We need to put out a 'reward' for that puppy... sounds goofy, but hey, I'll trow a few bones in the pot if someone would step up with the movie in ANY format... Return can translate old reel film into 'electronic', right?

    CS - Roberta is pretty cool - GandF are basically 'support', but have enough of a role to keep us happy.
    Music Makes Me just totally rocks! I LOVE that tune... and, well, love to watch it, too :-)

    You need the 'Busby Berkley collection' - it has 42nd Street, Gold Diggers of 1933, and also Footlight Parade, Dames, and Gold Diggers of 1935 - also has a 'Busby Berkley bio DVD' - honestly need to watch that one... for the price ~$40.00, not a bad deal (5 movies + bio DVD), considering any one of those would probably be around $20 if you count shipping.
    Yep, Follow The Fleet is a fave of mine, too... 'Let Yourself Go'...how cool is THAT? Really hard to deny that one as my favorite Ginger tune / performance. My Mom LOVES FTF as well...


    Shall We Dance - 10
    Swing Time - 5
    Follow The Fleet - 3
    Roberta - 1
    Flying Down To Rio - 0

  22. Huey, I made a mistake. I said "yes" when my seller proposed to order the Golddiggers without the rest. Actually this is not possible, but she has certain connections. Well, before I saw the Golddiggers again (after long years), I had dreamt about "We're in the Money" and "My Forgotten Man", but now I also like Joan Blondell. It took a little time learning to love her, but Ruby Keeler is in too. A cute little family of showgirls.

    Let Yourself Go is - in modern language - really "cool". Well, I rather like warmth and prefer that old expression SWELL, but a Rapper couldn't be "cooler" than Ginger and Freddy in Let Yourself Go. Fred at that accordion - and he was a mighty good accordion-player! All the boys of that band are "cool" as well.

  23. Love Joan as well - I need to find more stuff with her in it...
    Fred on accordion... classic!

  24. Hey, I mixed two songs up!

    Fred played accordion in "Music Makes Me" (Flying Down to Rio). In "Let Yourself Go" Ginger is accompanied by a small big-band too, but the swellest thing about it is Ginger, singing together with a girl-trio.

    Of course I actually know that: I count "Let Yourself Go", "Music Makes Me" and "We're in the Money" in my most favorite songs!


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